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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://smokingapples.com/software/reviews/superduper-vs-time-machine-backup-mac-leopard/comment-page-2/#comment-8833</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently upgraded my hard drive (2.5 sata 640gb) and used time machine to restore my data. It was simple do do but it took forever and some data was missing so i decided to restore again from my latest backup and it wouldnt work for me even though i backed up to time machine immediately  before i tried this. I was not happy so i tried super duper to clone my new HD from my old one. This worked perfectly so i ended up buying a second 2.5 Sata 640gb hard drive with a enclosure and just  use super duper to keep an updated clone. Now if my hd fails i just pop in the clone and thats it. I can also use the copy to boot on any mac computer through usb. In my opinion this is the best way to keep your system backed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently upgraded my hard drive (2.5 sata 640gb) and used time machine to restore my data. It was simple do do but it took forever and some data was missing so i decided to restore again from my latest backup and it wouldnt work for me even though i backed up to time machine immediately  before i tried this. I was not happy so i tried super duper to clone my new HD from my old one. This worked perfectly so i ended up buying a second 2.5 Sata 640gb hard drive with a enclosure and just  use super duper to keep an updated clone. Now if my hd fails i just pop in the clone and thats it. I can also use the copy to boot on any mac computer through usb. In my opinion this is the best way to keep your system backed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Mac Backup options are… Part 1: Local and Networked Storage &#171; Smoking Apples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Mac Backup options are… Part 1: Local and Networked Storage &#171; Smoking Apples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so that you know exactly what&#8217;s going to happen when you hit the button. [SuperDuper was previously reviewed on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] so that you know exactly what&#8217;s going to happen when you hit the button. [SuperDuper was previously reviewed on [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave (from Shirt Pocket) mentioned it earlier in the thread, haven&#039;t tried it but I think that you just fire up the TM interface as usual and replace file(s) - also I assume you can fire up from System Disks and chose the restore point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave (from Shirt Pocket) mentioned it earlier in the thread, haven&#8217;t tried it but I think that you just fire up the TM interface as usual and replace file(s) - also I assume you can fire up from System Disks and chose the restore point.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Petrosky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Petrosky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I was about to say that if you didn&#039;t use SD the drive you are doing SD to would be the drive you would restore to and would keep the updated bootable OS on. 

But Wait a second!!!!! Stop the Presses!!!!!!! Why did it take this long for someone to answer the question I posted, I don&#039;t even remember when. 

Alistar said
      &quot;You can apply TM updates to update your bootable clone, too.&quot;

The issue I keep bringing up is that a TM backup is more up to date than a SD backup so normally it would be better for me to restore from TM so I&#039;m back to where I was instead of loosing a days worth of work to get back up to where my last SD backup was. From everything I could tell about SD it appeared that you couldn&#039;t use TM to update your SD Restore without doing a full TM restore (which saves you nothing). So how does this work? Can you just select your Home Folder and click restore? and everything is back in sync?

I truly appreciate the intellectual banter, but actual new knowledge is oh so much better still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I was about to say that if you didn&#8217;t use SD the drive you are doing SD to would be the drive you would restore to and would keep the updated bootable OS on. </p>
<p>But Wait a second!!!!! Stop the Presses!!!!!!! Why did it take this long for someone to answer the question I posted, I don&#8217;t even remember when. </p>
<p>Alistar said<br />
      &#8220;You can apply TM updates to update your bootable clone, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>The issue I keep bringing up is that a TM backup is more up to date than a SD backup so normally it would be better for me to restore from TM so I&#8217;m back to where I was instead of loosing a days worth of work to get back up to where my last SD backup was. From everything I could tell about SD it appeared that you couldn&#8217;t use TM to update your SD Restore without doing a full TM restore (which saves you nothing). So how does this work? Can you just select your Home Folder and click restore? and everything is back in sync?</p>
<p>I truly appreciate the intellectual banter, but actual new knowledge is oh so much better still.</p>
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		<title>By: Milind Alvares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milind Alvares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well I think I owe you a drink Doug for sticking with the argument so doggedly!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think all of us do! Doug has really proven himself, and it&#039;s almost a year since we published this one. Thanks Doug! :) (And thanks Alistair as well, for remembering to post the real world &#039;test&#039;)


&lt;i&gt;Now to fomulate some points to counter Doug&#039;s arguments once and for all&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well I think I owe you a drink Doug for sticking with the argument so doggedly!</p></blockquote>
<p>I think all of us do! Doug has really proven himself, and it&#8217;s almost a year since we published this one. Thanks Doug! <img src='http://smokingapples.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (And thanks Alistair as well, for remembering to post the real world &#8216;test&#8217;)</p>
<p><i>Now to fomulate some points to counter Doug&#8217;s arguments once and for all</i></p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think I owe you a drink Doug for sticking with the argument so doggedly!

To respond to your points - the external drive is big enough, but I would have had to repartition it on the fly if it was just a TM backup.  It&#039;s also difficult to keep booting off an external drive and keep your TM backup up to date on the same drive.

SD backups aren&#039;t particularly time consuming once the initial backup is done, it takes about 10 - 20 mins for the daily update.  You can apply TM updates to update your bootable clone, too.

I can see I&#039;m not going to change your mind, but I&#039;m pretty happy with my setup and I think now it&#039;s been battle tested, I&#039;m sticking with it.  But good luck to you and I hope you never need to test your setup in anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think I owe you a drink Doug for sticking with the argument so doggedly!</p>
<p>To respond to your points - the external drive is big enough, but I would have had to repartition it on the fly if it was just a TM backup.  It&#8217;s also difficult to keep booting off an external drive and keep your TM backup up to date on the same drive.</p>
<p>SD backups aren&#8217;t particularly time consuming once the initial backup is done, it takes about 10 - 20 mins for the daily update.  You can apply TM updates to update your bootable clone, too.</p>
<p>I can see I&#8217;m not going to change your mind, but I&#8217;m pretty happy with my setup and I think now it&#8217;s been battle tested, I&#8217;m sticking with it.  But good luck to you and I hope you never need to test your setup in anger.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Petrosky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Petrosky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree again with a caveat this time though. Much of this discussion centered around getting back up and running on your failed computer but you bring up an interesting point which is getting up and running on a totally different computer. As long as both are bootable on the same OS, SD is a good way to be up and running but it is far from the only way.

You obviously own an external drive large enough to restore your iMac&#039;s data (you are using it for SD). If you spent 1/100th of the time you do with SD backups you could have kept that drive up to date with the current OS releases. On the failure you could have booted your macbook from that drive, TS restored and been in the same place you were with SD. Then when your iMac came back your new TS backup could be restored back to the iMac instead of restoring with SD. 

The advantage SD gives you is it is a little faster for that initial restore but the downside is it is almost definitely a more out of date backup (unless you are doing hourly SD backups). 

So, assuming daily SD backups, is the 1-24 hours of work lost sense your SD backup worth the 30min to 1 hour you loose in time doing your restore?

Makes you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree again with a caveat this time though. Much of this discussion centered around getting back up and running on your failed computer but you bring up an interesting point which is getting up and running on a totally different computer. As long as both are bootable on the same OS, SD is a good way to be up and running but it is far from the only way.</p>
<p>You obviously own an external drive large enough to restore your iMac&#8217;s data (you are using it for SD). If you spent 1/100th of the time you do with SD backups you could have kept that drive up to date with the current OS releases. On the failure you could have booted your macbook from that drive, TS restored and been in the same place you were with SD. Then when your iMac came back your new TS backup could be restored back to the iMac instead of restoring with SD. </p>
<p>The advantage SD gives you is it is a little faster for that initial restore but the downside is it is almost definitely a more out of date backup (unless you are doing hourly SD backups). </p>
<p>So, assuming daily SD backups, is the 1-24 hours of work lost sense your SD backup worth the 30min to 1 hour you loose in time doing your restore?</p>
<p>Makes you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the worst happened, my iMac started kernel panicking every 5 minutes and it had to go back to the shop.  Turned out to be a Hard Drive failure, luckily I have Applecare on this computer so although it took a fortnight I didn&#039;t have to pay any extra.

For the record, I used my (SuperDuper created) bootable backup to run through my Macbook, worked like a charm.  The when the iMac came back I copied the data back.  My point is that I didn&#039;t turn to the TM backup once, it would have taken too long to re-create the data and my Macbook doesn&#039;t have enough space.

From this experience:
1) Bootable backups are essential for catastrophic failure;
2) SuperDuper works as advertised and kept me going through the fortnight of iMac-less existence;
3) Time Machine wouldn&#039;t have worked in my situation not without extra expense and a lot of time.

I (now) have a Time Capsule, but still believe TM is good for smaller failures (file corruption, accidental deletion etc.).

Can&#039;t comment on Snapshot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the worst happened, my iMac started kernel panicking every 5 minutes and it had to go back to the shop.  Turned out to be a Hard Drive failure, luckily I have Applecare on this computer so although it took a fortnight I didn&#8217;t have to pay any extra.</p>
<p>For the record, I used my (SuperDuper created) bootable backup to run through my Macbook, worked like a charm.  The when the iMac came back I copied the data back.  My point is that I didn&#8217;t turn to the TM backup once, it would have taken too long to re-create the data and my Macbook doesn&#8217;t have enough space.</p>
<p>From this experience:<br />
1) Bootable backups are essential for catastrophic failure;<br />
2) SuperDuper works as advertised and kept me going through the fortnight of iMac-less existence;<br />
3) Time Machine wouldn&#8217;t have worked in my situation not without extra expense and a lot of time.</p>
<p>I (now) have a Time Capsule, but still believe TM is good for smaller failures (file corruption, accidental deletion etc.).</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t comment on Snapshot.</p>
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