Wednesday February 10, 2010

Apple India: I’m done dealing with you

by Milind Alvares on February 10, 2010

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20th October. Magic Mouse unveiled. Fanboy excited.
27th October. Check in at the local Apple retailer. “Within two weeks”.
8th November. Check in again, “second week of December”.
8th December. Ankur offers to get me a mouse from the US, but I had faith in Apple India.
25th December. Christmas. No Magic Mouse.
20th January. Ankur offers to send me a mouse. I take it.
29th January, a whole 3 months after Apple released the mouse. A Magic Mouse arrives. Fanboy thrilled, but Apple India had no part to play in it.

I don’t know who’s running Apple’s Indian division, but they deserve a royal kick in the nuts. Indian Apple customers have forever been treated as second grade citizens, as the overlords gently throw around scraps of technology as a favour to the Indian customer. Well guess what, I’m fed of up this shit.

The iPhone 3GS was released in June 2009, no sign of it in India. Phil Schiller said that by August, India would get the iPhone 3GS. We’re in February now, the 3GS even made its way into Uganda, but no, Apple India thinks we’re not good enough for superior products. This is the iPhone we’re talking about here, and the biggest mobile market in the world doesn’t have it. The grey market on the other hand flourishes, with 3GS’ going for INR 36-39k, so those who really wanted it have got it. That does leave out the casual buyer who wants to buy a smartphone. In fact, even if the iPhone 3GS was launched in India, the casual buyer would still think it doesn’t have SMS forwarding because Apple India doesn’t care enough to run a single ad on any form of media! That’s about the iPhone. Snow Leopard was released August 28th, 2009. It’s a software product, in the tiniest package. Add to that Apple had ample time before its release for shipment. Took more than a month and a half to show up on retail. Let’s not forget that we don’t have the full iTunes Store for India. And for the half-assed Apps only Store, we have to deal with prices in dollars, while the rest of the world gets their own regional pricing.

The heads at Apple India must have been chosen on the basis of their qualifications, rather than any understanding of the Apple culture. “He’s got an MBA, he’ll be perfect to run this division”. The iPod Nanos land surprisingly quick, mostly within a week of release—I suppose they rake in the maximum cash with those. iMacs with the Magic Mouse have been shipping for a while now. There’s definitely a larger margin selling an expensive iMac than supplying a single mouse. What these MBA sporting idiots don’t understand is how the Apple ecosystem works. Apple doesn’t sell products, they sell you an experience. Contrastingly, Apple India sells you cute boxes with pretty hardware in it. No wonder Apple isn’t doing well in India. To have a good thriving business requires initial effort in cultivating that market. It’s to keep your existing customers happy, so they will in turn recommend your products to others. Now I wouldn’t recommend a Mac to any of my friends because I’ll be the one blamed when they’re denied support.

When the Magic Mouse was launched, I figured it was just a mouse, so it had to show up within a week or two (I remember the Mighty Mouse took three weeks to get here). Friends offered to send me the mouse; I chose to wait, even though it would cost more. How was I repaid? Kept waiting for three months, with no mouse in sight. There are reports of Magic happening at certain stores in Delhi, but the local Apple reseller tells me they must be importing them on their own (smuggling was the word used). I can imagine the plight of those waiting for the iPhone 3GS, but not being able to do anything other than to get it from the grey market.

What about service? Apple India is no good at that either. Take a look at Preshit’s and Ankur’s first hand account of how Apple treats its Indian customers. These are not an isolated cases1, as I’ve experienced it first hand myself. The only reason I get manage to sort things out without much hassle, is because I know the owners of the local Apple Store well enough that they take care of my issues2—I never have to deal with AppleCare beyond registering a Case-ID. Moreover, iPhone users are stuck to dealing with Vodafone and AirTel to solve their issues. Apple won’t entertain a single call about iPhone, even though we have to pay the full unsubsidized price for buying one of these. By contrast, Dell India sends a technician right to your home (even in remote villages), and then sends you a replacement before they take the malfunctioning unit away.

The fact that three of us wrote anti-Apple (India) pieces at the same time, shows just how fed up we are. No, we didn’t plan these three posts out, they were actually three separate pieces [admittedly, I asked Ankur to hurry up with his article, but only since I knew he was working on it already]. If you disappoint your biggest fans, what’s going to happen to those who don’t even know about Apple?

I’m done being patient with Apple India. From hereon, whenever required, I’ll get my Apple goodness from the US or elsewhere. It’s not a solution to the problem, but at least I won’t be disappointed. The iPad in India? I’m not going to be waiting. I’ll try my best to secure it from abroad. Apple India, you may stick it.

  1. It’s in fact quite the opposite when someone gets exceptional service at Apple India.
  2. Or maybe the local Apple Store really does have world class support and I’m feeling privileged for no reason.

Reader Comments

Ranjit

Thank you, Milind. There is really nothing left to add. I had my friend buy me a 13″ MacBook Pro 3 days after the WWDC in June 2009 from London. The Snow Leopard disc came at my friends address after just paying shipping charges. I have gone to the iStore thrice at the Palladium at Phoenix to buy the mouse and they had no clue. I could not even get a simple mini display port to a VGA adaptor. I had to get that too from the UK. I have wasted so much time and vented so much anger about Apple India. I have pestered both you and Preshit about availability of various products. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. This is it! About the iPhone 3GS, lets not even go there. I’m getting the new BlackBerry Bold 9700. Take that, Apple India and shove it. I’m done and you are toast for me.

   

Andre

Welcome to Apple Brasil. The website is full of half assed translations, sometimes we have sentences in Spanish in the middle of the text, or inside images (we speak Portuguese, you know…), the products usually take a very long time to arrive here and the general feeling is that they really have no clue about Apple culture either. Also, considering they merely translate the website, the prices on product launches are usually wrong and then they correct when it *finally* arrives in Brazil, and I’m not sure about it’s legality.

The general feeling is that Apple consumers are always trying too hard to buy their “premium priced” hardware, and it always feel like it just came from the USA and you’re really a foreigner inside the system.

   

L Bhat

Well said, Milind. Unfortunately, Apple doesn’t seem to care a hoot about India. The Magic Mouse is apparently available on a pre-order basis only. And as far the iPhone is concerned, there is officially no support available from the re-sellers. Overall, a pathetic situation for Apple consumers in India. Sooner or later, it will hurt Apple.

   

Manish Jain

I absolutely can feel the pain, it’s like falling in love with someone that does not reciprocate.

I believe the last GM of Apple India was Alok Sharma and he was shown the door in June 2009.

When I was talking to someone at Apple in Aug 2009 (a well placed exec), they mentioned they were close to hiring someone to lead the Apple India team. Here we are 5 months later and still no word.

Whoever they hire, I hope that person is VERY customer centric and willing to work with fan boys. Number crunchers need not apply.

   

Ramesh Koneru

Jun 08th: Apple announces the iPhone 3GS. Promised India Launch – August. I was excited. Actually Damn Excited.
Jun 19th: iPhone 3GS launched in the US, as scheduled. Hmm.
August: iPhone not launched in India. I was upset.
September: Yet no india launch. I was very upset.
October: Yet no india launch. I was very very upset. Actually disgusted.
November start: I get fed up and start enquiring in the Grey market for unlocked iPhones.
iPhones smuggled from US(Jailbroken) were available at 34K, but were jailbroken.
iPhones smuggled from HongKong(Officially unlocked by Apple) were available for 42K.
I wanted the HongKong model, but 42K was too much. So I write to Milind Alvares (an even bigger Fanboi) asking for advice: he suggests that if I can’t wait for the India launch, I should get it from HongKong(as the iPhone is officially unlocked by Apple, and is cheapest in the world).
November end: I can’t wait any longer. So I place an order for an iPhone 3GS in HongKong, via a friend.
December 1st week: iPhone arrives to HK store(from US), and friend collects it. But no one was traveling to India from HK. So I had to wait, patiently.
January 2nd Week: Friend arrives from the HK, carrying with him the shiny new iPhone. I was damn thrilled.

I have an iPhone 3GS now. But I so much hated the 7 month wait. And it pains me even more, that in another 5 months, a new version is going to be launched.

Advice to all my Indian friends: If you want that shiny new apple product that was just launched, start bugging your friends in the US or HK to get one for you. This way, you get the products at the cheapest prices, and have to wait a lot less. Patience is not a virtue.

   

gameon

i bought a macbook last year … residing in chandigarh … the only reason i bought a macbook was because i had heard so much about macs .. all the mac fanboys all over the net .. would never ending praising about apple products .. i have had every ipod .. but never a apple laptop .. my dad was buying me a macbook pro but i thankfully did not buy the pro version instead gt the 13 inch white macbook … though i am very happy with the mac os .. i love the simplicity and the way its so different from windows .. everything was new and fun … but all this ended up soon .. my macbook had keyboard issues .. 7 times … the keys would stop working every 2nd month … and i gave my macbook to the service centre .. and the literally cracked the outer lid .. where there is the illuminated apple logo … and they did not repair it .. they said it was always there … even if it was in warranty i had to pay 3000 bucks to get that part replaced … then .. they broke my optical drive and by then my macbook was outta warranty .. i had lodged .. 100s of complain against that particular service centre … but apple never responded .. they take things so lightly .. and ignore indian customers .. every time i would get a response that our reignol head would soon contact you .. but nobody ever called me … i am so pissed now .. i seriously dont feel like getting a new apple product … until and unless they come do something about their customer support department … apple has left me with no choice except to sue them in court … well lets c how that goes ..

   

Joshua Emmons

I hope so. Because I’m certainly done reading about it.

   

Samrat Mazumdar

I think I have been habituated to get a Apple products 3months after its release in US, I ordered the Magic Mouse on November 09 and just got it delivered yesterday.

It is a high time for Apple to look back to India and redesign the Apple environment and how it works in India.

   

Mehul

Finally hearing it from the man himself!

I will cut long things short..Apple India whoever from your side if you are reading this, you suck! alright take that deep, you guys suck. Whatever it is, I to already gave up buying Apple stuff from India, coz we simply dont deserve using them here.

And I wont be surprised to find you in the courts one day doing the rounds for harassing so many customers for no reason.. And i would be super glad to see you there!

All the best:) You will need it.

   

Piyush

I waited for Snow Leopard DVD first, then iPhone 3GS and now am waiting for Magic Mouse to arrive.. I agree that Apple India’s service isn’t great..
But as far as Magic Mouse is concerned.. Apple Store ppl told me that the shipment is stuck due to new import regulations.. GOI has started asking for another certificate for wireless devices like Magic Mouse.. they can’t import it individually.. but it’s ok to get it along with iMacs..

   

Brajeshwar

@Piyush Snow Leopard DVD is pretty available at the Apple Premium Resellers (iStore and Imagine)

Cespur

Every single Apple fan outside of the US gets treated like shit (except for Australia, Canada & the UK perhaps).

   

Aniruddha

Thankfully for me here in US I never had any problem with service. Only once I had some issue with my MacBook which got settled the same day when I took it to nearest retail store.

I have read somewhere in the past that if you mail directly to Steve Jobs you can get some of your issues resolved. Try that way. At least you can get rid of some fault service centers…

   

Manoj

A week ago I called the “Apple Premier Store” in GK, New Delhi
Me: Do you have Core i7 iMacs?
Store Guy: Aap phir se batayenge ?
Me: Core i5 or i7 iMac computers?
Store Guy: Aap kaun se computers ki baat kar rahe hain?
Me : Do you have iMacs?
Store Guy: Ji nahi!
I put down the phone, needless to say disgustedly.

As per the current listings, Apple offers only Core i5 iMacs in India. There is no built-to-order Core i7 iMac. Given the screen problems with 27″ iMacs, even Gizmodo says it is not safe to buy new iMacs yet. I can only imagine what would happen if i buy it in India – no support and that is that fuck ya!

   

L Bhat

My rant on the same topic here: http://tinyurl.com/yzh9usz

   

SirSteven

A good and fully justifiable rant! I’m based in (mainland) China, but have thankfully had no problems with any of my Apple hardware, so I’ve not yet tested out how easy (or, more likely, ‘difficult’) it is to get replacements, but I guess it’s nowhere near as good as the Dell service you mentioned.

As for hardware availability, it’s not taken more than a few weeks for stuff to be available at official Apple resellers here in China, such as refreshed iPods and MacBooks, which is reasonably quick. Plus, for ‘grey’ imports, there’s always nearby Hong Kong… Nonetheless, Apple needs to invest more money and care into ‘other’ countries outside of its usual US and Europe focus.

   

mr.nice

you know you can’t get anything done in india without there being bribes involved.

it’s either all sitting in customs because the customs agent wants money or favours or just they’re eating purees and can’t be bothered. seriously. anything tangible doesn’t work. the only reasons why call centers even “work” is because no actual goods are involved. if you even want to call those things that work…

look.

it’s always been india and always will be.

don’t blame apple – blame the indians.

   

Piyush

Where are you from?

sanjay

why does it even matter where he’s from? he’s dead on. blame the indian authorities for not moving their gulaab jamons not apple. apple want to make money…. that’s what businesses do. Indian authorities just want a cut. contact your local mp and tell him you’ve had enough maybe they can get the fools in customs to back down.

Brajeshwar

Apple’s Magic Mouse for those desperate (As I see nothing quick happening with any of the Apple Resellers), can try 20north.com. However, there is a markup in the range of 42% to 45% of the actual cost. The $69 Magic Mouse will actually set you back by about $98 (inclusive of shipping + taxes) on regular shipping.

   

AdamC

Probably because India is the forgotten continent.

Remember how you guys treated the iPhone when it was launched and all the bad mouthings?

   

Bawlat Mulgi

You’re still a fanboi. I like how you separate Apple India to bash it. Get over it dude, Apple India IS Apple.

   

Ak

I still want the imac 27 i5 . even after ive read this .
matter of fact i just called the reseller to book mine :)

I CANT HELP IT , I DONT KNOW WHY?

   

RK

Thanks for being straight to the point, hope this helps in change of Apple India attitude.
I am as frustrated with Apple India, leaving the comment here as a matter of agreement & +1 vote.

   

Eknath

I would also blame the Indian bureaucracy for this. The goods must be lying somewhere in the customs warehouse and authorities are waiting to be bribed. Apple is a business, they want to sell as much they can. Indians or Europeans they are simply customers for them. Western world, China and Japan are very much Pro-Business countries. But India…ha…you know the truth.

I would actually suggest you to get to the root cause of the problem. Call Apple operations dept. in India. Find out whats going wrong. Blogging is part journalism. Wear a journalist’s hat and try to investigate the issue.

   

shashi

I fully aggred with above report ,apple is treatiting indian as second rated citizons

   

Shouvik

I use a mac book at work and a VAIO at home. I do believe after 3 hours of light browsing the mac can burn a hole on my lap, while I keep the VAIO on all day long but there is no problem with heating. My comp guys told me its just a bad device! Well if all the hype about apple is to manufacture pretty devices which have serious performance issues, I don’t want it, more so coz I get better customer support from the sony guys who actually care about my user experience and count on us spreading the word about their work… Also my friend got the iphone 3G for 36k and I got an android(i7500) for 18k about the same time… I see no difference in the product, dare say I actually think the android is better in some aspects, eg; camera, support, multitasking, ease of service and oh, its completely legally covered by warranty at half the price in India (oh and I also like its looks)!

So what it boils down to finally is, why again I am buying the apple product!?

   

baisampayan saha

Few days back i bought an ipod touch 3g from bengaluru, forun, apple showroom. yesterday i found out that the new firmware ios 4.0.2 is out as my itunes was always prompting me to update the device. i tried it a few times but failed, due to slow net connection. so downloaded the firmware manually. but when i tried to update, it said firmware not compatible . so i thought it might be due to some downloading error. so i downloaded the firmware again. but this time also the same thing happened. so i thought if apple has given me a 2g ipod instead of a 3g one. so i googled how to differentiate between 2g and 3g model. i found out that for 2g model in the back of the ipod it would be written A1288 and for 3g it would be written A1318. moreover i integrated my itunes with itunes, so this time when internet download manager prompted to take over the download, i saw that it was downloading the file for 2g firmware. now i am feeling cheated. Apple india is selling 2g models in the case of 3g models. As you cant distinguish a 2g or 3g model simply by looking, they are taking the advantage of it. Only by the model no. only one can distinguish.
Though i have mailed a complaint to apple india. But i am a bit skeptic after reading all these posts, if they would attend my problem. Anyways, if nothing happens i would move to the consumer forum.
So my advice to all who ever is going to buy something from apple, please research about it a little bit. otherwise samething may happen to you, as it happened with me.

Guys please suggest what to do.

   

Milind Alvares

Did you by any chance get the 8GB iPod touch? Because I’m pretty certain Apple India sells real 3rd Gen iPod touches.

baisampayan

i bought the apple 8gb ipod touch…..

Milind Alvares

Well there is no 3rd Gen 8GB iPod touch. So it’s just as well you would get the 2nd gen firmware.

   

baisampayan

are u sure? because when i googled yesterday about ipods, i found out that ipod touch 8gb 3rd gen does exist. the difference between a 2g and 3g could not be found out by just mere looking at the models. coz both looks the same. just look at the back of the ipod to check the model no. if the model no is A1288 then it is a 2g, n if it is A1318 then it is a 3g. hardware wise both r using the same processor only they differ in ram. the 2g is having 128 mb n the 3g is having 256 mb of ram. n the 3g is open gl supported while the 2g model is not open gl supported.
these are the information which i googled out yesterday.

moreover, if it is really a 2g model then on the cover case it should be written that the model is a 2g one. while in my case on the cover case it was written IPOD TOUCH 3RD GEN 8GB. while trying to update i find that my ipod is a 2nd generation one. i dont know what apple india is doing.
yesterday i mailed a complaint to apple india. They replied me today asking my contact no. so that they can talk. lets see where this thing proceeds…..

   

Milind Alvares

It may be labeled and marketed as a 3rd gen product, but its internals are exactly the same as a second gen iPod touch. The real third generation got a new processor, GPU, and double the RAM.

   

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